JOEL OSTEEN - MORE COOL RAP THAN SCRIPTURE
One of the few tele-moniests I can stand. For about five minutes. This guy is so good at what he does other not so motivational, gloomer’s and blasphemer’s are jealous and can’t stand him.
Because instead of the hell, fire and brimstone, the fear and devil mongering, and the constant harassment to send in money, he preaches positive thinking, feeling good about yourself, your family and then, only then does he tell you to send in the money.
Almost 90 million dollars last year and an estimated 30,000 parishoners and supporters in his congregation. If talk is cheap this guy has turned lead into gold.
This is alchemy at it's highest level but with digging and investigating, there are few complaints against what he does except from the competition, the old school, the narly thinking fear mongers of hell fire and brimstone and "Jesus is the only way", anything else is blasphemy. (Mostly jealousy since a lot of the fire and brimstone preachers using fear tactics, don't attract smart people)
Barbara Walters, mentions him as one of the “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006". So far he has not been involved in sex, drug, or molestation, cheating, robbing, or stealing, normal scandals like the other "Do as I say and don't do as I do" like others mentioned here.
Robert Schuller, recently dismissed as the head of the church he founded also believed in the power of positive thinking. We call it Positive Motivational Christianity. Another slightly heavier gospelite is Joyce Meyer.
Joel Osteen's motto, theme, mantra is "Discover the Champion in You." He is the son of Pentecostal Preacher the late John Osteen. 39-year-old Olsteen had he gone one the motivational speaking tour might give Tony Robbins a run for his money but when you are taking in 90 million dollars a year you don't look for another job.
Good looks and a drop dead gorgeous wife adds to the charisma with couple has with smiles and a positive message compared to some of these charlatans like Murdock, Robertson, Oral Roberts, Popoff and a few other jerkoffs.
REPORTS INDICATE HIS WIFE HAS A TEMPER
His wife is stunningly beautiful and right by his side. She can talk too. No jezebel hookers on this beat. Other than a flight attendant she didn't get along with, a small gift to the FAA and getting off the plane she is fairly clean in the ring of fire preachers bed warmers.
The Federal Aviation Administration has fined Victoria Osteen, wife of Lakewood pastor Joel Osteen, $3,000 after determining she had interfered with a Continental Airlines crew member aboard a flight late last year. And this week, a flight attendant filed suit claiming she was assaulted by Victoria Osteen during that flight to Vail, Colo., for the Christmas holidays.
At least some people aboard the Continental Airlines flight were less than pleased after waiting about two hours at Bush Intercontinental Airport while the Osteens left the plane and their luggage was removed, said a woman who witnessed the incident. “She was just abusive,” said Sheila Steele, who said she was sitting behind Victoria Osteen. “She was just like one of those divas.”
A church spokesman said the couple and their children left the plane voluntarily after the incident Monday and took another flight to Vail, Colo. Joel Osteen has paid the penalty, which is not an admission of guilt.
By the way names are important and just you should know, the Osteen Mango is a commercial mango cultivar that originated in Merritt Island, Florida. ... The tree first fruited in 1940 and was named after the well known Osteen family that lived in the Lotus subdivision on South Tropical Trail in Merritt.
WHERE’S THE GOD?
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not mention God. Joel Osteen instead talks about life and it's lessons. I believe he feels when God has something to say, He will say it and do something about it. It’s just his advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such nonsense as his competitors on the GOD tithing business trail have said.
Nonsense? Positive thinking is nonsense? Maybe to any Bible thumping, down in the bushes, hell loving, holy rolling, messengers of the true word! In other words, the crackpots who have gone too far and would make great Taliban recruits.
Joel Osteen inherited the business from his father. When Joel Osteen became the head pastor of his church, he had barely finished one sermon and he does not have any Bible training.
It has been widely reported that Osteen attended ORU in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for a two year period without receiving a degree.
Likewise, it has been reported that he has no higher level training in religious matters or Bible studies. In an appearance on Piers Morgan Tonight in January, 2011, Osteen mentioned that he had never attended seminary.
Maybe thats the secret of his success, he didn't do it the same old, same old way. The way the thumpers teach the other thumpers, and give them degrees in what? Story telling and threats. Parables and impossibles. Laboring sermons about things that can't be proven. The boring, lying, cheating way these others operate and hasn't learned any of the fear tactics his fellow belchers of brethren intimidation use so copiously.
HIS CRITICS - FROM THE WEB
Unless you have been living on another planet you have no doubt heard of, or even seen America’s smiling pastor Joel Osteen, head of Lakewood Church, one of the largest professing Evangelical Christian congregations in the world.
What needs to be understood here is that the only way someone like this could even be considered an Evangelical is due to the disturbing low ebb of discernment today in the Body of Christ. Here is a man who at best has such an alarming simplistic message concerning Christianity–and at worst is yet another of the many Word Faith teachers currently infesting our Lord’s Church–an alarmingly arrogant breed who are now fearlessly spouting their doctrines of devils.
PROTESTORS ATTACK OLSTEEN SERVICE
Six people were arrested Sunday after allegedly interrupting a sermon by Pastor Joel Osteen at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. All of the protesters came from a “revivalist” church in East Texas. Lakewood Church spokesman told the Houston Chronicle the men came from the Church of Wells in Wells, Texas. “They came out screaming scriptures,” noted the group “goes after churches they don’t agree with.” The Lakewood spokesmen also told the Chronicle the group was in the church about a month ago, causing a disturbance before being asked to leave.
Casey Eaglin, a Lakewood member, was close to the protesters when they started engaging Osteen. “He jumped up with his Bible and started screaming ‘Shame on you Joel, shame on you Joel’ and Joel kind of just repeated Scripture and they just escorted them out,” Eaglin told KHOU. “I was terrified for a quick second there.
After the first guy, I thought oh it’s just a random heckler, but then you start seeing the second, the third. ”Several of its volunteer ushers are also law-enforcement who remain armed during services and are ready to react if necessary. The six Church of Wells members were charged with criminal trespass, a Class B misdemeanor offense.
The seven of us involved in the effort to warn Lakewood Church of the coming judgment, are all of one mind in regards to the message that each of us were proclaiming that Sunday. Most of the small substance of what has been reported of the phrases that were spoken by us are accurate, but they are by no means the complete burden that flooded our hearts that morning... and that burden had indeed flooded our eyes with tears for many months prior as we preached to those multitudes flowing in and out of Lakewood - like droves tottering on the brink of destruction.
What was not ballasting these reports is that we had been burdened for this place for years (2014-15 especially), and were, all of us, united in fasting and prayer for three days preceding this event...
ED: Their website which I found repulsively fanatically engaged should be condemned under the sanity act for unsuitability, instability and just plain old religious nutcases on the loose is located at http://www.thechurchofwells.com
Rick Henderson Pastor. Blogger. Sacred Skeptic. He is the Draper Campus Pastor for South Mountain Community Church in Utah. Happy husband. Proud father, Horrid golfer, Coffee addict. He’s passionate about loving well, thinking hard and daring others to be sacred skeptics is featured below.
QUOTE: I have been preaching for 20 years. Yesterday I did something that I have never done before in a sermon. I publicly called out false teachers and named them by name. I said: If you listen to Joel Osteen or Joyce Meyer, if you take what they teach seriously, it will not be good for you. It will be detrimental to your long-term growth as a follower of Jesus.
Like Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen has some really great things to say. He is encouraging and the man is certainly happy. This should not be held against him. The man is confused on theology. His doctrine is difficult to discern for many because he won’t talk about doctrine. He won’t talk about theology.
While I commend him for his humility and courage to publicly declare that he was wrong, this is just one of too many instances. He frequently misunderstands important matters of faith and doctrine when being interviewed. He repeatedly gets the Gospel wrong. And he does so when talking to millions. If we take Joel at his word, our only conclusion is that he is either incapable or unwilling to understand and explain how the Gospel intersects with all of life.
Joel Osteen and Prosperity Gospel
The Prosperity Gospel is much like all other religions in that it uses faith, it uses doing good things to leverage material blessings from God. Essentially, use God to get things from God.
“God has already done everything He’s going to do. The ball is now in your court. If you want success, if you want wisdom, if you want to be prosperous and healthy, you’re going to have to do more than meditate and believe; you must boldly declare words of faith and victory over yourself and your family”
“If you are believing for your child to find God, go help somebody else’s child to develop a relationship with God. If you’re struggling financially, go out and help somebody who has less than you have ...
If you want to reap financial blessings, you must sow financial seeds in the lives of others ... If you want to see healing and restoration come to your life, go out and help somebody else get well”
This is not the Gospel. This is a false Gospel.
Joel teaches that we open ourselves to God to get more from God. He teaches that we use our words to speak into existence a better reality. This straight from the Word of Faith Movement. This is not what is taught throughout the New Testament. Consider what the Apostle Paul wrote. And remember that he wrote this while in prison.
Philippians 4:10-13- I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength.
Conclusion - When I was in seminary, Heather and I were poor. There were seasons in which I worked 70+ hours a week while taking a full-time Master’s load. There were times that I had to sleep every other day so that I could get all my work done. This was an extended period of exhausting financial stress.
During this time, I remember reading something from Joel Osteen. He and his wife claimed by faith a new house that they wanted. Joel was unsure, but his wife Victoria was confident. And she lovingly chastised him for his lack of faith. Sometime later, they purchased that house.
Still in seminary, my wife and I were walking through our dream neighborhood and that was playing through my mind. As I walked through the neighborhood, looking at all the homes, I wanted so badly for what Joel is teaching to be true. I don’t know if you can understand how desperately I wanted it to be true.
I wanted relief and I wanted more. But I knew that it wasn’t true. I knew that my exhaustion and desperation made me emotionally vulnerable to this false Gospel. I’m educated and well read. I’ve haven’t just read the Bible, I’ve translated large chunks of it from the original Hebrew and Greek. I think I understand it. I think I have a relatively significant level of discernment. But for a moment, I was emotionally vulnerable to this false doctrine.
What about the millions of others who are desperate, searching, hoping and vulnerable without the discernment? We owe it to them to not tolerate a false gospel any longer.
ED: MY THOUGHTS
AJL: After reading and researching, I thought Holy Sh*t! Real Holy Sh*t. Rick does get to the heart of things, but just because someone has found a different path to help others find that inner peace they are really searching for, thats not bad either. Simply put paths are either good or bad and that is the only selection needed. The parts of the path will come together by good action, not words.
However not the route of the actions of the Church of Wells and a few over the top demented souls by contradicting their own beliefs and attacking fellow brethren.
This and other statements by the competition just brings out their opinion of the greatest story ever told and thats all there is to it. Thats the extent of the complaints we searched for, nothing about corruption, stealing, begetting, pedofiling, et al. His staunchest complaints came from the competition, the old school Bablifiers and Babelists and hardcore imbeciles like from the Church of WELLS. We should be living in a world of acceptance and compromise, every stem of religion has it’s fanatical believers. They give us nothing, they support nothing and cause innumerable death.
They can't stand someone who tells stories of life, not Bablifications and smoke blowing. I thought for a while if I were in the ocean in a lifeboat with others, and a storm was approaching. All the pastors and preachers in the boat were into their speil about being saved, he would stand up and say, lets get rowing, that might work. At that point I might pitch some of the others overboard, as useless, lighten the boat and grab an oar.